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need some advice,
I need new brake pads and discs for a 1.2 sxi facelift.
Whats the best to get ? Should i go for the normal vauxhall ones or any other type ?
deano_sxi
29-07-2005, 18:46
black diamond discs n pads
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/deano_sxi/brake1.jpg
bit of surface rust like :P or is it proper rust :P
how much are they ? was someone doing a deal on them not that long ago ?
should i go for grooved,drilled or combi ?
either go for drilled or grooved, dont get both, they crack easier at higher temps..
to be honest if your going for performance braking, get the standard discs and get some mintex pads.
Also how long would diamond discs with the predator pads last ?
Been doing the maths and its £100 fitted from vauxhall for standard vx pads and discs
or £192 for diamond discs with predator pads delivered and £45 fitted from Vauxhall.
I don't want to fit them myself.
So almost double the price,vx ones have lasted me 1 year and 6 months so i could spend £100 and then another £100 1 year and 6 months later.or £192 now and don't know how long they would last.
deano_sxi
30-07-2005, 11:40
dunno how long theyll last but there a hell of a lot better than VXL 1s
stop bein a mincer n fit them yourself its piss easy n saves you 50 quid for an hours work
I don't have the tools or know what im doing.£45 saves a lot of hassle
deano_sxi
30-07-2005, 11:47
go see ya old man theyv allways got tools its pretty easy
What are mintex pads like ? I think i'll go standard vx discs but don't know what pads,Any sugestions ?
mintex pads cost 22 for a set and thats what i use, they are very good when cold and pretty good when warm. but produce abit of brake dust :(
greenstuff pads are ****e for normal driving, but have almost no dust.
i would go with vaux discs. technically you have more surface area for the pad to stick to therefore giving better braking.
yeah i'll go for vauxhall discs,What other options are there for pads ?
standard vx pads,
greenstuff
redstuff
blackstuff
:lol:
vx do performance pads...i have these and they are much better than standard ones!
seriously tho Chris ? ... lol
do they last aslong chaz ? do they create a lot of brakedust or just normal ?
theres quite a bit of brakedust :| dont know how long they last have only had them on for 6 months...but they are very nice :)
it depends how you drive, if your always heavy on the brakes they wont last long,
my last set of mintex lasted about a year
ive got mintex pads and brembro discs for £130
greenstuff pads are ****e for normal driving
You keep on saying this, but you're still wrong.
im a bit confused - arnt the disks themselves meant to last a good few years? its only the pads which get used up really?
aye, but some of the discs warp i think, and new discs look better :D
Well standard vaux laste me 11,000 miles, I took a second set for £90 Incl pads) and they lasted a further 17,000. **** is what I say to standard. I have upgraded to Black diamond combi's and they stop sooooooooooo much better.
They were only about £40 more for more stopping power. vauxhall discs are femur and tbh I would steer clear, As for mintex pads, al I've heard is ****e apart from chris' praises
Personally I would give John @ 2modified a call and go for the BD setup. it aint that expensive and more than does the trick.
Trust me, in a 1L, you have no speed advantage in a straight line, but late braking and roundabouts, I take the piss out of other cars, way more powerful ;)
K
discs the same size will = the same stopping power..
how can a disc that is the same size with less surface area stop a car better?????
the reason for holes is to keep them 'cooler' obvously not really effective on a standard car with 75bhp, the groove are to keep the water from the pads keeping the brakes good for wet weather..
the only way you can get better stopping power if you like is to upgrade the 'size' of your disc, hence more surface are the more its got to grip, but by enlarging the disc you probably would need larger calipers.
ZS - how am i wrong, greenstuff pads dont give off as much dust because they are a harder compound, and because they are harder they take longer to warm up, so with that in mind you would have to drive the car hard for the pads to become effective. with the mintex pads, because they are a softer compound dont need as much heat therefore you can drive them from cold and within 2 or 3 stops they are almost working at optimum temperature. so dont try tell me im wrong. :|
how can a disc that is the same size with less surface area stop a car better?????
Easy, the drilled/grooved discs work at a lower temp and remain at that lower temp, not overheating and creating simple brake fade. Therefore, although they are the same size, with 'less' surface area, they act better under heavy braking, pissing on your bonfire! Sorry mate, but it's true and a fact so there you go!
K
chris_trickle
31-07-2005, 00:19
PM 2modifyed, he will sort you out for some discs. I have ordered some Black Diamond discs (combi) and some pads from him. 146 Quid including delivery. Cant wait to get em on!! Only really bought em so they look sweet behind my wheels :lol: ^Good to know they are proven affective as well!! :thumbs:
yeah i was gonna go for those ones from 2modified but £45 to fit brings it to £190,almost double the vx ones.I need someone to fit them,saves me the bother,i wouldn't know what im doin
chris_trickle
31-07-2005, 00:45
Just get either drilled or grooved then, a fair bit cheaper than the combi ones, I cant remember the prices but they are defo cheaper
yeah i was gonna go for those ones from 2modified but £45 to fit brings it to £190,almost double the vx ones.I need someone to fit them,saves me the bother,i wouldn't know what im doin
Well the pad change guide on her eby chewy is great, and very accurate. The only thing after that is 2 bolts on the back which are straight forward.
Do it yourself and save a fortune, failing that, a mechaninc should be able to fit both sides in under 40 mins if they are any good.
ZS - how am i wrong, greenstuff pads dont give off as much dust because they are a harder compound, and because they are harder they take longer to warm up, so with that in mind you would have to drive the car hard for the pads to become effective. with the mintex pads, because they are a softer compound dont need as much heat therefore you can drive them from cold and within 2 or 3 stops they are almost working at optimum temperature. so dont try tell me im wrong. :|
Despite what you say you're still wrong. Stating wrong facts over and over doesn't make them correct.
To quote EBC's site:
These pads have a high friction coefficient, great initial bite from cold, right up to a blistering 650 degrees centigrade. Another major benefit of the Greenstuff compound is its award-winning feature of being LOW DUST. Being awarded the UK magazines Autotrade Innovation Award for its low dust features, Greenstuff pads cut down between 60-90% of the dust common with most competitive types of semi-metallic pad on your alloys keeping wheels cleaner and delivering performance at the same time.
They're low dust because they use Kevlar and other non-metallic fibres instead of steel to hold the pad together. The V4 Greenstuff have a different compound so the pads bite as well at cold as they do when warm. They've only been out a few months, and they're the ones I'm running. They really do work as well as standard pads when cold, and far better when getting hammered.
Also, as ka$h said, drilled and grooved discs keep the pad surface clean and allow surfaces gases to escape under heavy braking. The grooves wipe the surface of the pad stopping them glazing up.
So, Chris, ka$h and myself are awaiting your apologies. :)
The reason i need new discs is because the vx mechanic said that on the inside of the disc its only actually half of the disc thats doing its job because all the way round half of it is corroded and after that he said vx ones aint great like that was the only reason this would happen.
Why would this happen ? will it happen even if i splash out on expensive ones ? My first thought was not becuase the vx ones are crap but because something it out of line with the pads and discs and its only hitting half of the disc maybe ? the outside of the disc is fine and smooth
Sounds like one of your pads had jammed in the caliper...
im talking from experience... the greenstuff pads are NOT as effective as standard pads at lower temps..
ka$h; the reason you are finding that your brakes are probably better is because when you changed the pads, the old ones were worn (hence why you changed them) with the new ones you dont need to press the pedal down as far to get the same braking. so pushing them that bit further amounts to more pressure on the discs hence why it feels better.. if you dont beleive this keep your old pads and put them on, see if they still stop you as fast.
ZS: dont be retarded m8.. if ferrari said there newest car did 0-60 in 1.5 secs would you beleive them?? no, just because EBC have wrote thats what they do dont take that as the truth.
Greenstuff pads are excellenct for not giving off brake dust, im not arguing that fact, its the fact that they dont function as well as pads that are designed to at a lower temp..
for example..
you have a race track, you have a mclaren F1 (greenstuff pads) and you have a custom built car for that track (standard pads) which would win?
well the custom car would, because its designed to get round the track as fast as possible, the same way the standard pads are designed to work better at lower temperatures, granted the custom car wont go as fast as the mclaren (greenstuff working better at higher temperatures) but for everyday driving whats the point? its not like your going to get your cars brakes to such a temperature that you need a harder compound by going to Morrisons and back. (if you do then fine use greenstuff pads)
im not wrong in saying that standard pads work more effeciently than greenstuff pads at lower temperatures.
2modified
31-07-2005, 17:32
PM me if you like, i can sort something out personally
i have Black Diamond pads on my car and i rate them highly :)
PM me if you like, i can sort something out personally
i have Black Diamond pads on my car and i rate them highly :)
only cos you want to make money :lol:
I'm joining the Greenstuff Pad group, had them for well over a year (1set of pads) and fcuk do they stop, std discs, ok so I have rear discs too but they only have Vx pads.
Firm on the pedal and wave bye bye to 20mph every second :lol:
Plus I have the added bonus of NO ABS, I hate it
2modified
04-08-2005, 10:12
only cos you want to make money :lol:
Hmm, but why do i have black diamonds when i supply about 10 brands of brakes?
best value for money and a great product :)
so me been a noob, whats the conclusion?, can somebody start a poll or something so i know which brakes are the best for me to get, im not a racer just a morrisons and back man, but i do like the sounds of...
Firm on the pedal and wave bye bye to 20mph every second
so me been a noob, whats the conclusion?, can somebody start a poll or something so i know which brakes are the best for me to get, im not a racer just a morrisons and back man, but i do like the sounds of...Not being funny mate but you won't get a serious answer here, reason being everyone thinks what they have are the best, it's down to personal choice and what you can afford
I get tired of people reading something about something that they don't really know about, I have also found alot of people who warp their discs within months of fitting them because they don't bed them in slowly. i.e fit them and within a week stomping on the pedal from stupid speeds and 'expecting' them to be better
But everyone must agree that Greenstuff pads are better than the lumps of wood they fit in the factory?
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