Opinion: who hates 6x9s?

[ultim8DTM5]

I hate 6x9s, especially on parcel shelves.
Component sets are superior in every way.
Subwoofers are superior in every way.
There is no in-between.

Who else hates 6x9s?

[gonkowonko]

love em :thumbs:

[ICACHA]

your kidding right? **** by nines? hahahahahahahaha

[gonkowonko]

nope love them lol

someone has too :D

[dookified]

Had mine for ages with bass limiters on them and they sounds great... It's just the squlechy bass you get out of them that lets them down..

[deano_sxi]

i dont think these people have heard a good set up with a well setup sub

[dookified]

probably not no... lol

[fil_b]

i love 6x9's 2

when set up right they give you a good mid bass!!!

will always get 6x9s me!!

[Countdown]

Yes i agree.

If you prefer SQ, stay well away from 6x9's. If all your into is streetbass then ok, whatever tickles your pickle. Read no further:)

YFor a decent sounding basic system, you should have a decent set of comps amped and a sub. tweeters dealing with all those nice high vocals, mids in the door and some nice tight bass from your sub.

If you are running a sub, there is no need for 6x9's!! Comps are far superior.
There is no need to have bass in any of your speekers when you have a sub.

You are the driver! you want your soundstage to be coming from the front of your car as well.


I dont think a lot of people have heard a decent set up sytem, its seems to be a case of lets get some big subs and 6x9's so i we can hear it from streets away:lol:


I will say it again, 6x9's are the path to evil.:nono:

[derbyboyred]

i agree having 6x9s and a sub in me old car changing to some high end components and a couple of decent subs is a world of difference it is so much better.

The only thing is that some tracks play on the rear channels only and that aspect is lost then that stirs up the hole arguement for rear fill speakers or not.

[sicky]

i love my 6x9s because:

a) i need the bootspace, so cant have a sub

b) can't afford a sub and comps

c) better sound than standard

only thing thats bugging me is that my wires havnt been tied up and now a connection has snapped. hope it can be fixed

[ultim8DTM5]

Countdown got it spot on.

Anyone who has bought 6x9s can afford components, they are the same bloody price most of the time! Pick up a ****ty sub for 20quid off the forum and you are done.

Anyone who says they can't afford components or a sub should look at the replacement cost of a parcel shelf, a window tint and a new set of 6x9s. Because that is what you will be up for when a smackie walks past...

Then again, when I see certain installs that have spent big money on an in-dash screen and have 6x9s it really irks me! Or even worse, custom installs that have 6x9s up front in the doors (hint hint) haha



The only thing is that some tracks play on the rear channels only and that aspect is lost then that stirs up the hole arguement for rear fill speakers or not.

You don't have surround sound set up in the car perchance?

CDs are only stereo (left/right) and cannot differentiate between front/rear. I think you may have a problem elsewhere :)

[sicky]

yeh but if u buy components u need to buy the sub and id rather buy quality than cheap tatty ****e thanks, my 6x9s cost more than most the comps i was being told to get

[fil_b]

at the end of the day

how are you using the 6x9??

if from the head unit or amping them??

you will get a different impression from them then!!

feebs

[sicky]

amp all the way to the bank

[fil_b]

yup

give you the mid bass a sub done give!!!

totally agree!!! 6x9 have a different use than comps do!!

[sicky]

6x9s are **** when u use em with a sub imo

it's all about what sort of sound u want i think

[Lightec Autostyle]

they don't work well with a sub, its one or the other IMO. If there's no room for a sub in boot then 6x9's would may be considered

[ultim8DTM5]

yup

give you the mid bass a sub done give!!!

totally agree!!! 6x9 have a different use than comps do!!

Bzzzt

Wrong answer.

A sub is for sub bass.

Midbass/midrange/highs come from full range speakers such as components. Why would you add 6x9s which are a full range speaker when you have components from the factory? You are just doubling up.

If anything spend the money on a sub instead with your factory system. Amp the factory components and I guarantee it will sound ten-fold better than 6x9s with a factory system.

[derbyboyred]

Countdown got it spot on.

CDs are only stereo (left/right) and cannot differentiate between front/rear. I think you may have a problem elsewhere :)

Try nickelback - money bought that appears to have rear channel sound only in certain sections unless the old 6x9s where pulling the sound stage to the back of the car??.

I dont have rear speakers these days only CDT audio comps up front and CDT audio subs in the boot.

[fil_b]

Bzzzt

Wrong answer.

A sub is for sub bass.

Midbass/midrange/highs come from full range speakers such as components. Why would you add 6x9s which are a full range speaker when you have components from the factory? You are just doubling up.

If anything spend the money on a sub instead with your factory system. Amp the factory components and I guarantee it will sound ten-fold better than 6x9s with a factory system.

have you tried the vibe sa69?? they are a fantastic set of 6x9's when amps.

Sub handles bass
comps handle treble and some bass
6x9s can handle the mid bass and the treble

[craigSXi]

used to like them until i discovered components. 6*9's are the devil in any proper sound system

[ultim8DTM5]

Try nickelback - money bought that appears to have rear channel sound only in certain sections unless the old 6x9s where pulling the sound stage to the back of the car??.

I dont have rear speakers these days only CDT audio comps up front and CDT audio subs in the boot.

You've hit the nail on the head there! I'm guessing it would be somewhere around the midrange that would sound like it was coming from the rear, as this is where most of the "information" our ears detect and and pinpoint as source.

Excellent choice, I have CDT Eurosport tweeters with StageUp kit that are on ambient duty currently and they are fantastic.

[johnny 5]

To be honest, i thought 6x9s were amazing when i first upgraded all my speakers! fitted new components up front and 6x9s on a stealth shelf in the rear! The bass was solid, and the treble was clear. How wrong was i! I agree the fact that 6x9s give a lot more bass compared to the standard sound setup. Yes, you get some bass and a lot more volume. Now that i have had sub for a few years, i cannot live witout one! I sacrifice my bootspace for that sub! i use my backseats more for shopping than my boot! lol! If you are happy with ur 6x9s, trust me, one day u will get a sub and will get rid of them. I certainly did when one day i took out my shelf and realised how much better it sounded without my 6x9s. The louder i played my music, the better it sounded. Amazing....

When i listen to 6x9s now, the bass is so loud, it rattles my brains and gives me a headache. It just aint low enough to be called bass. The midrange is so loud, you are deafened when you turn it up. The treble is just not as crisp when coming from the rear, its just drowned out by the ear piercing midrange! But if you like that kinda tight, loud, punchy bass and ear piercing volume, fair play to you. I used to, but can no longer stand it...

[SneekyShark]

I think which 6x9s you have and what type headunit make a whole lot of differance not to mention what type cabeling you wire up with, I have Pioneer 4 way 6x9s and pioneer 8600 Headunit wired up with monster cable the sound is amazing. the 8600 gives me so many optiones for getting the best out of all my speakers, I guess im trying to say a good set of 6x9s and a decent headunit you should be able to adjust the sound enough so that the bass does not rattle you brain or anything ellse.

And Dont forget what cables you use are as important as the Amp-Headunit-and speakers

http://www.monstercable.com/mpc/productPageMPC.asp?pin=3112&section=four

www.monstercable.com

[ultim8DTM5]

And Dont forget what cables you use are as important as the Amp-Headunit-and speakers

http://www.monstercable.com/mpc/productPageMPC.asp?pin=3112&section=four

www.monstercable.com (http://www.monstercable.com)

I have some crystals that you might be interested in...
http://corsa-c.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=22791

[Steve]

I got some 6x9's 1st so the sound would be better than standard.

I've since added 2 subs and 1 amp into the boot.

EVENTUALLY I will change front comps and amp them up too but at the mo the 6x9's are staying as they give better sound than the VX speakers.

If I could afford to get comps I would do but TBO i'd probs re-locate the 6x9's to the middle of the car to keep the midrange sound.

Ste

[ultim8DTM5]

I amplified some standard speakers the other day and they sounded very good, better than some 8in co-ax's I found.

Relocate to the middle of the car? I have no idea what you mean, can you help me out?

[Steve]

I'm going to fibreglass the rear inner wing pannels and locate the speaker there on a custom mount.

Ste

[red demon]

i cant say i dont like them cuz i have a set but by far comps are the way to go.u only realy want to put midrange and tweeter through them anyway no good for bass. comps are great got them 2 and there better.

[ultim8DTM5]

I'm going to fibreglass the rear inner wing pannels and locate the speaker there on a custom mount.

Ste

Bloody hell.
How will this improve your midrange?

[andym765]

:lol: this threads a joke

Im not voting. Did you ever think that the reason people like myself buy 6x9's is we cant currently afford comps and subs? theyre an excellent inbetween imo your arrogant

O yeah i havent cut my fcuking parcel shelf neither i bought a stealth shelf

:x

[ultim8DTM5]

How much was the price of your 6x9s and stealth shelf? I bet you could have bought a set of component speakers for the money.

As for me being arrogant, I worked two jobs whilst studying full time for 18 months to pay for my audio equipment. In that time I drove my car every day listening to my discman. Oh and I'm two years older than you. If you want something bad enough you'll find a way to get it.

So don't cry, it's alright, we are all grown-ups here.

[andym765]

whos crying :lol: your pathetic maybe some people have lifes and dont want to work all the hours they want to go see their friends and be social.

oh im two years older than you. Exactly thats my point maybe when im 21 ill have these things :| But at the moment 6x9's are good

[ultim8DTM5]

Its simple: if you don't want to put in the hours don't have a whinge about not having any money.

[andym765]

:dontknow: wasting my time here

Im not winging im just saying im not wasting all my wages for speakers to put in my car

[Si]

I won't be putting 6x9's in the A3 :) Sticking with good comps and my subs for now - then poss some nice coax speakers to replace standard speakers if money allows.

[ultim8DTM5]

Si:
http://car.rainbow-audio.de/products/overview.php?lan=2&pro=1&lin=12&kfz=0102
:)

[dave_corsa]

so what exactly is the best set-up for a corsa?

I currently have:
pionneer p70BT
rockford fosgate mono block P3001, running...
alpine type s 12" subs x2.
alpine type s components (front, and not amped)
mac audio 6x9s (also not amped and am wanting to get rid, as are years old now :lol: )

Ive been thinking about getting another set of the alpine type s components and mounting them on my fake stelf shelf. Is this what people mean when they say don't get 6x9s get components? Or do u mean, get components at the front, and some decent coaxials to replace the standard rear speakers?

dave

[sburrows]

not a fan at all tbh :(

[ultim8DTM5]

so what exactly is the best set-up for a corsa?

I currently have:
pionneer p70BT
rockford fosgate mono block P3001, running...
alpine type s 12" subs x2.
alpine type s components (front, and not amped)
mac audio 6x9s (also not amped and am wanting to get rid, as are years old now :lol: )

Ive been thinking about getting another set of the alpine type s components and mounting them on my fake stelf shelf. Is this what people mean when they say don't get 6x9s get components? Or do u mean, get components at the front, and some decent coaxials to replace the standard rear speakers?

dave

Don't worry about rear speakers, don't buy any new ones and put the 6x9s on ebay. Put the budget for an amp for those Alpine components.

Thats a nice list of equipment, as long as it is installed safely you should be happy. As for the best setup, a lot of people were impressed with how my setup sounded first time round, but you never know if you can do better unless you try so I've pulled all of it out to start again :)

[dave_corsa]

Ah ok, well im definately going to get another amp...but i think i mite get some decent coaxials for the rear as well, so people in the back have some vocals as well as a seat massager :lol:

dave

[Corsa-Greece]

6x9 sucks!!!!they are playing full range so, each speaker is not reproducing the frequencies that is made to reproduce!!!a midbass trying to play 2KHz???components have by far better quality.

[andym765]

Your all so cool :lol:

[fil_b]

6x9 sucks!!!!they are playing full range so, each speaker is not reproducing the frequencies that is made to reproduce!!!a midbass trying to play 2KHz???components have by far better quality.

but amp a set of 6x9s - they sound so much better than comps then!!!

[~TwIsTeR~]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/blackcorsasri/MY%20SRI/100_0135.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/blackcorsasri/MY%20SRI/100_0113.jpg

ryt....belive it or not i hate 6X9's even though i have two sets :lol:

i dnt have my subs in alot of the time cos they weight a TON :!:

so thats y i have the 6X9's.

to be fair though they do sound good :!:

they dnt distort wi the bass cos of the ported parcel shelf.

im gettin sum coaxials and some components soon.

6X9's are mint for wot i use em for not listenin to music i mean LMAO :lol:

i mean they provde bass when my subs arnt in.

sorry to rattle on :!: hehe

[andym765]

:thumbs: well done twister. Nice install :)

[fil_b]

gotta agrees - looks sweet - does the ports help on the shelf??

[~TwIsTeR~]

ive made a new pacel shelf since nealy the same but thicker padding looks alot better :!:

but tar any way!!

its loud enough 4 me HEHE

[~TwIsTeR~]

gotta agrees - looks sweet - does the ports help on the shelf??

or year....alot :!:

alot of air come out when subs drop :!:

it stops en from pushing up n distortin wi bass

[Corsa-Greece]

since 6x9 are playing full range, is it possible to have better sound quality than a set of compos??even if they are runt with an amp. if you run with an amp 6x9 you can also run components using an amp . and believe me the sound will be better at the second case. maybe it will not be louder, but it will certenly have better quality!thats why the most expensive pair of compos would cost 3 or 4 thousands euros, an the most expensive pair of 6x9 does not cost over 600 euros!!!!

[J19MSD]

quality components sound so much better than any 6x9's.

any 1 wana buy some infinity kappa 6x9's new ones out 3 months old, with an infinity reference 2ch 300w max amp 10 months old (very loud)???????

[Corsa-Greece]

besides, when installing a good ICE, targeting at a good sound quality, 6x9's or in general speakers playing full range, or placed behind the ear are never used!!!i checked every car at the EMMA eurofinals in greece, and none of those participating at SQ categories, didnt use 6x9...

[~TwIsTeR~]

Thats Because They Are Wan K :!:

[Corsa-Greece]

Thats Because They Are Wan K :!:hmmmm???sorry but i dont understand what you mean!i m not an excellent user of english languange!could you explain in other words?

[16v_black_corsa]

****=poor lol i personally like mine amped up sounds good imo

[~TwIsTeR~]

oh......sorry.....they are rubbish :!:

ok for amature stereo's but for entry leval or higher u want components......even though at the MOMENT i have 2 sets hence pictures above

[~TwIsTeR~]

****=poor lol i personally like mine amped up sounds good imo

mine are amped and do sound good :!:

they are not underpowerd at all :!:

[16v_black_corsa]

i agree for performance and competition they r utter poo but for the time being they are fine for me n btw seen ur car at wakey looks sweet twister

[~TwIsTeR~]

why TY :lol:

u seen it wi splitter on :?:

pm me ya mobile number and we cud meet up wi a few other members i no on here. for the cruise

[Corsa-Greece]

ok thanks!!!i agree with you previous statement. the only use i can find for those "rubbish" is that they can "fill the car" because having the sound coming only from the doors some people dont like it!!!!!

[~TwIsTeR~]

dnt get me wrong mind do sound mint and i only play trebble through em :!:

[crichten]

Dont know yet... ill tell ya in a few days :)

[Corsa-Greece]

the best solution is to have an active crossover and "let" every speaker play the appropriate frequencies!!!!!kind a expensive though or not??????????????

[~TwIsTeR~]

dunno?

[Gulzar Tipu]

I like em :love:

[16v_black_corsa]

ye twister saw it with splitter on looked sweet i had laguna one on till bot 3 weeks ago got prefacelift irmy on ma facelift now send us your mobile number thru n ill txt u mine n u can let me no bout any cruises that are goin down (only if u want) lol

[ultim8DTM5]

the best solution is to have an active crossover and "let" every speaker play the appropriate frequencies!!!!!kind a expensive though or not??????????????

Not the best unless you can:
a) afford to build your own crossovers;
b) afford some pretty full-on processors such as the H701 Alpine or Pioneer P90RS accompanyment;
c) afford more channels.

The ballpark just got bigger. Nonetheless, I ripped out my old install so I can run more amps active :)

[ultim8DTM5]

Oh yeah and Twister, your parcel shelf, shocking. I'd understand if you ported your box, but porting the shelf not the enclosure???

[EPIPHANY]

i put yes... but didnt make a whole in my parcel shelf... i made a new one..

[~TwIsTeR~]

Oh yeah and Twister, your parcel shelf, shocking. I'd understand if you ported your box, but porting the shelf not the enclosure???#

erm......no!!

its ported so the bass doesnt push up the 6X9's!!!!!!!!!!!

[~TwIsTeR~]

my subs are actually better in a seled box aswell thank u for your comments!

[ultim8DTM5]

Push up the 6x9s? So you are creating enough pressure to move 5kg vertically? Bloody hell.

I was also under the impression you ran one when the other was not in use.

[~TwIsTeR~]

oh.....its quite loud lol

there is alot of comes through the ports.....im glad i did it :!:

no.....i have the 6X9's in all the time but when the subs are in i just play mids and tweets throgh em.

[corsasxi+]

6X9's are good if u get da rite ones like the loudest 2000 watt 6x9's.
Respect

[~TwIsTeR~]

y wud u want em that loud!?

surely spending that kinda oney on em u wud have subs n comp's

[ultim8DTM5]

Forgive the lad, he's only young he knows what he says :)

[~TwIsTeR~]

y....how old r u :lol:

[~TwIsTeR~]

i think the POLL is a load a **** as well.

cos they both are one sided really and u can make em sound well :!:

who ever wrote the poll answers obviously hasn't got there's jst right !?

[andym765]

^^^ :lol: finally said that weeks ago poll writer ur a knob

[~TwIsTeR~]

im not the worlds biggest stereo expert but i do no quite alot and i wud say my stereo is quite loud lol

think its about 145DB

[dookified]

thats louder than a jumbo jet skimming your head :|

[~TwIsTeR~]

yeah.....its not shy :lol:

ask corsa_newbie he has heard it

[Corsa-Greece]

even for loud ICEs 6x9 are not a good solution in my opinion!put a new shelf with 4 beyma midranges or impact/ciare/audiopulse midbasses and 2 horns and u will got many dBs!!!!

[~TwIsTeR~]

4 loud quality ICE u dnt want em at all!!!!

im gettin components and co-axial's soon.

good bye shelf.

my car is dyno matted 2

[Corsa-Greece]

i know!these brands are quite noisy(many dBs but not quality dBs!!!)
but if ya want dBs they are a better solution than 6x9s!
if ya want quality, compos are also better solution than 6x9s...
generaly 6x9s sucks!!!i ve Kenwood 6x9s in my corsa, and i m about to discard them!!!bored of their noise!!!!!!!!

[~TwIsTeR~]

i have a set of alpine and a set of focal

[Corsa-Greece]

Focal and Alpine 6x9s???

[~TwIsTeR~]

yeah.....u seen ma car pics on this post?

[Corsa-Greece]

yeah!i just saw them!nice shelf..but if i were in your shoes, i would have installed a pair of compos. which Focals are these?

[~TwIsTeR~]

IVE MADE ANOTHER SHELF BUT NO NEW PICS OF IT.

SAME LAYOUT BUT MORE PADDED!!

erm......not sure wot range they are!

[Phil_T]

Tis pretty loud ollie :mrgreen:

[~TwIsTeR~]

im gettin components soon n gettin rid of shelf.

im makin a new shelf and its jst gunna look like i have two 15's on ma shelf :lol:

build a box underneath

[Phil_T]

im gettin components soon n gettin rid of shelf.

im makin a new shelf and its jst gunna look like i have two 15's on ma shelf :lol:

build a box underneath

If ur def gona do that think u should get windows tinted

[kati's corsa SRI]

he is !:)

[~TwIsTeR~]

gettin them all done :!:

even fronts......only light tint though!!!

£140

by a pro i no :lol:

[kati's corsa SRI]

FRONT :o:o:o

[~TwIsTeR~]

take the risk!!!

they can only pull em off!!

[kati's corsa SRI]

Ok Wel Am Off T Dance Round In A Fairy Outfit

[partridge_88]

Ok Wel Am Off T Dance Round In A Fairy Outfit


pics to follow soon :mrgreen:

[~TwIsTeR~]

^^^

haha

[kati's corsa SRI]

u would have to ask twister for them there on his camera:P

[~TwIsTeR~]

not digi 1 though!!

thats in my weapon off mass induction :!:

[Phil_T]

gettin them all done :!:

even fronts......only light tint though!!!

£140

by a pro i no :lol:

Sort me out wiv tints 2 :lol:

[~TwIsTeR~]

£1k :lol:

i will ask him.......copy cat :!:

[Phil_T]

£1k :lol:

i will ask him.......copy cat :!:

Tints aint exzactly copin tho is it

[First Car]

Alright Corsa Boys,

Ihavent actually learnt to drive yet, but im currently modifying a corsa. I'd like to know how i should run my sound system in my car? I curently have 3 subs, head unit, component speakers, 6x9's. Idont have to use all of this, i just wana know how to run my system best?
Thanks

[~TwIsTeR~]

big phat amps :!:

[ultim8DTM5]

^^^ :lol: finally said that weeks ago poll writer ur a knob

Why? Because I know more about the subject than you?

I think a lot of the people who think 6x9s are the duck's nuts have not heard a good sounding system.

On the other hand I've heard 6x9s (and 7x10s, natch) installed every which conceivable way and have yet to be impressed.

[ultim8DTM5]

Alright Corsa Boys,

Ihavent actually learnt to drive yet, but im currently modifying a corsa. I'd like to know how i should run my sound system in my car? I curently have 3 subs, head unit, component speakers, 6x9's. Idont have to use all of this, i just wana know how to run my system best?
Thanks

Maybe start a new thread brother

[andym765]

Why? Because I know more about the subject than you?

I think a lot of the people who think 6x9s are the duck's nuts have not heard a good sounding system.

On the other hand I've heard 6x9s (and 7x10s, natch) installed every which conceivable way and have yet to be impressed.

No because you peporsefully started a thread to wind people up now u have so **** off.

[ultim8DTM5]

You took in upon yourself the first time you posted in this thread to insult me rather than my qualified opinion, going on further to say "I'm not voting." Since then you have not contributed to the discussion in any useful way shape or form apart from throwing barbs my way.

If you have a problem with the substance of the thread take it up with the moderators. If you have a problem with me, again do the same. However if you want to target me individually and continue to be belligerant then I will seek redress.

Pull your head in.

[andym765]

You took in upon yourself the first time you posted in this thread to insult me rather than my qualified opinion, going on further to say "I'm not voting." Since then you have not contributed to the discussion in any useful way shape or form apart from throwing barbs my way.

If you have a problem with the substance of the thread take it up with the moderators. If you have a problem with me, again do the same. However if you want to target me individually and continue to be belligerant then I will seek redress.

Pull your head in.

You havent really given fair options to answer have u?

That is my point and i cant be assed to write an essay about it either :|

:lol: belligerent

[~TwIsTeR~]

Why? Because I know more about the subject than you?

I think a lot of the people who think 6x9s are the duck's nuts have not heard a good sounding system.

On the other hand I've heard 6x9s (and 7x10s, natch) installed every which conceivable way and have yet to be impressed.

no...it proves u no jack!!


IF u read the thread i said i dont like em BUT they do sound ok!!!

[ultim8DTM5]

I know, you said you hated them and I never said anything contrary to your opinion :)
I was shocked by your parcel shelf I've never seen one moulded like that :o

[Darren]

Chan has them and they are better than standard speakers. :thumbs:

HOWEVER if you get a sub then you DONT need them.. so without a sub they are great :thumbs:

[~TwIsTeR~]

I know, you said you hated them and I never said anything contrary to your opinion :)
I was shocked by your parcel shelf I've never seen one moulded like that :o

i made it......ive made another since but no more pics of that yet.

it does look better though!

[~TwIsTeR~]

Chan has them and they are better than standard speakers. :thumbs:

HOWEVER if you get a sub then you DONT need them.. so without a sub they are great :thumbs:

they are good 4 me cos i dnt have sub in all the time :!:

[Phil_T]

Why? Because I know more about the subject than you?

I think a lot of the people who think 6x9s are the duck's nuts have not heard a good sounding system.

On the other hand I've heard 6x9s (and 7x10s, natch) installed every which conceivable way and have yet to be impressed.

Think you should get a trip over hear then and listen to twisters, i dont like them but his system sounds mint

[~TwIsTeR~]

cheers old boy :lol:

[ultim8DTM5]

Don't get me wrong, I reckon you've done a good job trimming that shelf!

If I get to Sennheim next year for the big show I might hop across the Channel and check out the UK scene :)

[~TwIsTeR~]

wot scene LMAO

[andym765]

^^^ :look: :| Scene :?

[~TwIsTeR~]

read the thread above mine!

[andym765]

^^^ aha :lol:

[ultim8DTM5]

The UK SQ scene; I've been on Talkaudio.co.uk for quite a while now and want to what the standard is like over the pond.

[~TwIsTeR~]

bet its way better over your end :!:

[ultim8DTM5]

Plenty of great cars but no one competes!
The comp I was in this year, I don't think it will run next year :(

[Coatz]

love em