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ultim8DTM5
12-11-2005, 07:07
Courtesy of current reigning IASCA world champ Scott Buwalda:


MYTH #1: Certain brands win every time.
"Equipment was infinitely important in the early '90s, but it's not nearly as important nowadays because the top 10 or 12 manufacturers are all building very solid product. You're going to hear very minimal differences between them. Today, you still have the zealots who will stand by their brand because it's the most expensive and carries the most weight in the competition scene. But the biggest decision for the entry-level enthusiast is to buy what sounds good to your ears."



MYTH #2: The midrange and tweeter must be within 2 inches of each other to work properly.
"You put the tweeter wherever it works, wherever it sounds good. I found it works exceptionally well with a high crossover frequency on the A pillar; it helps to widen and deepen the stage. About 5 or 6 years ago, if you had tweeters in your A pillars, you were scorned. Even today, people will email me, saying, 'I don't know how your car could possibly image or stage with the tweeter so close to your ear.'"


MYTH #3: Get a high-end amplifier.
"A watt is a watt. I doubt most people can hear the difference between amplifiers unless you push them into clipping anyway."


MYTH #4: Your system must be upgraded with a "fancy" battery and alternator.
"You'll notice I don't use either in my Altima, and that's because as long as you're just listening to music, you can get by with a factory battery and alternator. The only time an upgrade to the charging system is necessary is when sound pressure level [SPL] is more important. A system that's intended to be listened to with music at standard levels doesn't need a fancy battery or alternator."


MYTH #5: Keep power cables away from signal cables when you're running wires.
"I still separate the two, but only to establish a cosmetic flow to the wiring scheme. But the reality is that, in a negative ground system — as in 99.9% of the cars on the road — the ground plane is the vehicle's chassis, and it carries with it a voltage potential. Simply routing signal wires along this ground plane can induce the same amount of noise as running signal cables right next to power cables. The electron potential of the car's chassis acts as one big antenna for noise, irrespective of where cables are in relation to each other. So routing signal wires and power wires on the opposite side of a vehicle is a completely moot point."

Steve
12-11-2005, 07:53
Cool :thumbs:

Some interesting stuff there mate.

You a bit of an ICE boffin then?

Ste

ultim8DTM5
12-11-2005, 08:32
I think most of my posts are in this section :)

Si
12-11-2005, 15:15
Good bit of info there :)

johnny 5
13-11-2005, 00:16
Simply routing signal wires along this ground plane can induce the same amount of noise as running signal cables right next to power cables. The electron potential of the car's chassis acts as one big antenna for noise, irrespective of where cables are in relation to each other. So routing signal wires and power wires on the opposite side of a vehicle is a completely moot point."

HAHAHA! so true! I cant believe how this wasnt really spotted before! GENIUS! :thumbs:

cdti
13-11-2005, 14:30
i dont understand a word of wot hes goin on about!

Corsa-Greece
22-11-2005, 19:30
right.. i have some objections about your first statement mate.
yes, an amateur cannot hear the differences between an Audison VRX, and an Renegade amplifier, but believe me VRX is much better than the Renegade. much more expensive and much more better. VRX's complexion cannot compared with renagade's one!and if you are targeting at Sound Quality, there are certain brands that offer products which are by everyone accepted as the best. an other example, you cannot compare quality of Focal Utopias with a pair of 3way components of Lanzar!on the other hand you cannot play with he Utopias so many dB as with a pair of Beyma 8M100!!each brand is targeted to different directions, and in my opinion yes there are huge differnces between brands!
finally i believe, that "a Watt is a Watt" but having many Watts does not ensure a good car Hi-Fi...

ultim8DTM5
23-11-2005, 11:49
No, you are mistaken.

I have heard very expensive speakers sound a lot worse that cheaper ones. For example, I owned a very expensive set of MB Quart Reference series and installed them on-axis, off-axis and they simply had a shocking response. As a joke I threw in a set of Philips GTM-series and they walked all over the MBQs!

Not only that, my scoring in SQ competitions improved ten-fold and that was my only change. Same amplifers, source etc etc.

The last line is the most important: listen to everything regardless of the brand name and price tag. That is the crux!

Corsa-Greece
23-11-2005, 11:59
a month ago, here in greece we had the EMMA eurofinals. in all cars competing in SQ categories, there were 5 brands used: DLS, ScanSpeak, Genesis, Focal, Audison. that means a lot for me.
in your case, i m sure that MB Quarts are much better than the Philips. maybe your amp was not apropriate for the MP Quarts!i dont know for sure, just a guess. Dont forget that if you wanna have a good hifi, you must have, enough power, quality HU, quality wiring, good sound deadning, quality speakers and quality amps!

ultim8DTM5
23-11-2005, 12:18
Well I was running a Clarion DRX9255 as a source and a Tru Technology C-7 amplifier...

Trust me, the MB Quarts were not better than the Philips. Also, remember that ScanSpeak make a lot of speakers for other brands (d-s-t).

Did you go to the euro finals? I saw a mate of mine from Thailand who competes here in Australia attended with DLS...

Another thing to consider, if you compete regularly in SQ competition that is, cheque book competitors rarely get first place. Despite buying all the most expensive gear, which isn't always the best, its a lot harder to make it sound good.

Install and tuning is 75% of the result now days, because the gap between good and poor speakers has shortened. The only revolution in the last 5 years in components has been Beryllium and Alnico (Alnico funnily enough was the commodity of choice over 50 years ago in hifi).

Ever heard of a VW Golf GTi that came first in IASCA SQ World Finals with OEM speakers?

Corsa-Greece
23-11-2005, 12:34
in EMMA Eurofinals in athens i saw many cars using DLS, so maybe one of them was your friend's!i see what uoy mean about installing and tuning, but i have to tell you that we had a Cherokee here competing in SQ professional Unlimited category who had lost 1st place, because he had a poor installation, with very good parts though. so if you compare expensive brands and poor, you must consider that in both cases good installation is made, if you wana be objective!i m occupied with ICE only few years, but i allready have seen the huge differncies between brands. and many people here, have the same opinion with me!

ultim8DTM5
24-11-2005, 09:05
My mate had an Opel Zafira, not sure how he went because I haven't been able to get in touch with him.

He uses Milbert tube amplifiers and DLS drivers.